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Saratoga Race 10 - Fourstardave S. Stakes

DETERMINISTIC (5) is looking for his sixth win on the bounce after scoring in the Manhattan last time out. That figure stands out in this field and things look to shape nicely for him here with some good speed engaged. Won this race last year and he's still going as good now. RHETORICAL (1) draws the inside which is a big tick with good pace engaged. He was gunned down by DETERMINISTIC last start, but he was impressive the start prior at Churchill Downs. Wouldn't surprise to see him turn the tables this time. CLASSIC Q (4) won the Justr A Game last start when leading throughout in a stong figure and that form has already been franked. Expecting another forward showing today. ZULU KINGDOM (3) got the job done in a photo finish last start as favourite to win the Kelso. Has to be included on the back of that effort. LAGYNOS (7) is hard to knock with his recent results and won't be far away.

Race Time:9:15 PM

Saturday, August 8, 2026

Track:Firm

Weather:Showery

Prize Money:$0.00

Distance:1609m

Rhetorical (1)11114x314x

Trainer: William Walden 12 mths 10: 6-0-2

Jockey: Manuel Franco

Weight: 57kgs

5 yo Dark Bay/Brown G

Sire: NOT THIS TIME (USA)

Dam: SHEET HUMOR (USA)

Dam's Sire: Distorted Humor

Stats

Prize Money$2,730,198.00

Avg $$273,019.80

Win %60.00%

Place %80.00%

Career10: 6-0-2

Track5: 3-0-1

Distance4: 2-0-1

Tr / Dist1: 1-0-0

1st Up3: 2-0-1

2nd Up3: 2-0-1

Firm9: 6-0-2

Good0: 0-0-0

Soft0: 0-0-0

Heavy0: 0-0-0

Synthetic0: 0-0-0

Comments

Gelding returning from a spell and has won previously when first up. Finished off last preparation fourth of 9 at Saratoga Turf in the G1 Manhattan Handicap June 6 over 1911m, 1.3 len behind Deterministic with 56kg at $3.94. When resuming last campaign third of 7 at Keeneland Turf in the G1 Maker's Mark Mile Stakes April 10 over 1609m, 1.3 len behind Zulu Kingdom carrying 56kg at $3.53. Should take plenty of catching from the front.

Last Starts 64 days since last start

Place	Date	Days	Class	Prize	Track	Dist.	Cnd.	Jockey	Weight	Race Time	In Run	Gate	Result	Margin	Starting Price
4/9	06/06/2026	35	G1 OPEN 4U	$1,394,700.00	Saratoga	1911m	FM	I Ortiz Jr	56kg	1:50.50	2-1-4	7	1. Deterministic 2. Test Score 3. One Stripe	1.3L	$3.94
1/9	02/05/2026	22	G1 OPEN 4U	$2,094,972.00	Churchill Downs	1811m	FM	I Ortiz Jr	56kg	1:45.96	1-1-1	6	1. Rhetorical 2. Make Me King 3. Corruption	3.3L	$2.96
3/7	10/04/2026	160	G1 OPEN 4U	$946,143.00	Keeneland	1609m	FM	I Ortiz Jr	56kg	1:34.90	1-2-3	1	1. Zulu Kingdom 2. One Stripe 3. Rhetorical	1.3L	$3.53
4/13	01/11/2025	28	G1 OPEN 3U	$3,053,435.00	Del Mar	1609m	FM	I Ortiz Jr	57kg	1:33.66	5-1-4	11	1. Notable Speech 2. Formidable Man 3. The Lion In Winter	2.1L	$4.70
1/11	04/10/2025	41	G1 OPEN 3U	$1,902,588.00	Keeneland	1609m	FM	I Ortiz Jr	57kg	1:33.61	3-2-1	8	1. Rhetorical 2. Program Trading 3. Brilliant Berti	0.8L	$10.59
1/6	24/08/2025	36	LR OPEN 3U	$232,558.00	Saratoga	1710m	FM	I Ortiz Jr	55.5kg	1:39.71	1-1-1	6	1. Rhetorical 2. Bettrluckythangood 3. Conman	2.3L	$1.45

Mi Bago (2)2450x18811

Trainer: Mark E Casse (USA)12 mths 18: 8-1-0

Jockey: Luis Saez

Weight: 56kgs

4 yo Bay G

Sire: VEKOMA (USA)

Dam: WABANAKI (USA)

Dam's Sire: Indian Charlie

Stats

Prize Money$1,199,462.00

Avg $$66,636.78

Win %44.44%

Place %50.00%

Career18: 8-1-0

Track3: 2-0-0

Distance9: 4-0-0

Tr / Dist2: 1-0-0

1st Up2: 2-0-0

2nd Up2: 0-0-0

Firm11: 6-0-0

Good4: 1-0-0

Soft1: 0-0-0

Heavy0: 0-0-0

Synthetic1: 1-0-0

Comments

Chasing a hat-trick. Returns from a 34-day let-up. Most recently won by a nose at this track G3 Kelso (Forbidden Apple) Stakes July 5 over 1609m defeating Pass The Hat carrying 55.5kg at $10.41. The run before that came from midfield and scored a big 4.5 len win at this track LR June 3 over 1710m defeating Spirit Of St Louis with 57kg at $5.83. Last-start winner who can measure up again.

Last Starts 35 days since last start

Place	Date	Days	Class	Prize	Track	Dist.	Cnd.	Jockey	Weight	Race Time	In Run	Gate	Result	Margin	Starting Price
1/10	05/07/2026	32	G3 OPEN 4U	$326,560.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	Jose Ortiz	55.5kg	1:34.08	1-1-1	7	1. Mi Bago, Zulu Kingdom 3. Pass The Hat	0.1L	$10.41
1/7	03/06/2026	34	LR OPEN 3U	$278,940.00	Saratoga	1710m	FM	Jose Ortiz	57kg	1:39.61	3-1-1	6	1. Mi Bago 2. Spirit Of St Louis 3. George Briggs	4.5L	$5.83
8/8	30/04/2026	54	LR OPEN 4U	$488,827.00	Churchill Downs	1609m	FM	John R Velazquez	54.5kg	1:34.12	4-7-8	6	1. Lagynos 2. Chasing The Crown 3. Quatrocento	8.7L	$19.57
8/8	07/03/2026	42	G2 OPEN 4U	$280,899.00	Santa Anita Park	1609m	FM	Emisael Jaramillo	54.5kg	1:32.94	2-1-8	6	1. Final Boss 2. El Potente 3. Almendares	7.1L	$17.70
1/10	24/01/2026	140	ALLOW OCLM 4U	$130,045.00	Gulfstream Park	1609m	FM	I Ortiz Jr	56kg	1:34.11	1-1-1	5	1. Mi Bago 2. Risk Tolerance 3. Battle Of Normandy	0.3L	$4.40
11/12	06/09/2025	36	G1 OPEN 3	$3,058,104.00	Kentucky	1308m	Good	Flavien Prat	54.5kg	1:14.33	4-4-11	9	1. Troubleshooting 2. Golden Afternoon 3. Governor Sam	6.8L	$6.27

Zulu Kingdom (3)7x1114x131

Trainer: Chad C Brown (Chantilly, France)12 mths 11: 8-0-1

Jockey: Flavien Prat

Weight: 57kgs

4 yo Bay H

Sire: TEN SOVEREIGNS (IRE)

Dam: ZINDZISWA (USA)

Dam's Sire: Smart Strike

Stats

Prize Money$2,057,089.00

Avg $$187,008.09

Win %72.73%

Place %81.82%

Career11: 8-0-1

Track5: 3-0-1

Distance7: 4-0-1

Tr / Dist4: 2-0-1

1st Up4: 4-0-0

2nd Up3: 2-0-1

Firm7: 4-0-1

Good1: 1-0-0

Soft2: 2-0-0

Heavy0: 0-0-0

Synthetic0: 0-0-0

Comments

Recent form sound. Returns from a 34-day let-up. Most recently tracked the speed and boxed on steadily; won by a nose at this track G3 Kelso (Forbidden Apple) Stakes July 5 over 1609m defeating Pass The Hat with 56kg at $3.07. The start before that 3rd in a small field at this track in the G3 Poker Stakes on June 7 over 1609m, 1.75 len behind Pass The Hat carrying 56kg at $1.32. Impressed last start and can go on with it.

Last Starts 35 days since last start

Place	Date	Days	Class	Prize	Track	Dist.	Cnd.	Jockey	Weight	Race Time	In Run	Gate	Result	Margin	Starting Price
1/10	05/07/2026	28	G3 OPEN 4U	$326,560.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	Flavien Prat	56kg	1:34.08	2-3-1	1	1. Mi Bago, Zulu Kingdom 3. Pass The Hat	0.1L	$3.07
3/5	07/06/2026	58	G3 OPEN 4U	$418,410.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	Flavien Prat	56kg	1:32.92	1-1-3	1	1. Pass The Hat 2. Capitol Hill 3. Zulu Kingdom	1.8L	$1.32
1/7	10/04/2026	252	G1 OPEN 4U	$946,143.00	Keeneland	1609m	FM	Flavien Prat	56kg	1:34.90	2-1-1	5	1. Zulu Kingdom 2. One Stripe 3. Rhetorical	0.8L	$6.04
4/6	01/08/2025	28	G2 OPEN 3	$620,155.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	Flavien Prat	56kg	1:35.06	1-1-D1	5	1. Luther 2. Clever Again 3. Tiz Dashing	1.5L	$1.85
1/8	04/07/2025	62	G3 OPEN 3	$305,810.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	Flavien Prat	55.5kg	1:33.11	2-1-1	3	1. Zulu Kingdom 2. Capitol Hill 3. Tiz Dashing	0.8L	$1.40
1/14	03/05/2025	56	G1 OPEN 3	$1,562,500.00	Churchill Downs	1710m	Good	Flavien Prat	55.5kg	1:41.64	5-2-1	7	1. Zulu Kingdom 2. Test Score 3. New Century	1.3L	$3.17

Deterministic (4)1x2111x11x

Trainer: Miguel Clement (USA)12 mths 15: 9-3-1

Jockey: Kendrick Carmouche

Weight: 57kgs

5 yo Dark Bay/Brown H

Sire: LIAM'S MAP (USA)

Dam: GIULIO'S JEWEL (USA)

Dam's Sire: Speightstown

Stats

Prize Money$3,930,423.00

Avg $$262,028.20

Win %60.00%

Place %86.67%

Career15: 9-3-1

Track4: 3-0-1

Distance2: 1-1-0

Tr / Dist1: 1-0-0

1st Up4: 3-1-0

2nd Up3: 2-0-0

Firm10: 6-2-0

Good2: 1-0-1

Soft0: 0-0-0

Heavy0: 0-0-0

Synthetic0: 0-0-0

Comments

Entire returning from a spell and has won previously when first up. Finished off last preparation by 0.5 len Saratoga Turf G1 Manhattan Handicap June 6 over 1911m defeating Test Score carrying 56kg at $5.92. Previous preparation first-up won by 0.8 len Aqueduct Turf G3 Fort Marcy Stakes May 2 over 1811m defeating Battle Of Normandy with 56kg at $1.69. Looking for six in-a-row and is the one to beat again.

Last Starts 64 days since last start

Place	Date	Days	Class	Prize	Track	Dist.	Cnd.	Jockey	Weight	Race Time	In Run	Gate	Result	Margin	Starting Price
1/9	06/06/2026	35	G1 OPEN 4U	$1,394,700.00	Saratoga	1911m	FM	K Carmouche	56kg	1:50.50	6-2-1	5	1. Deterministic 2. Test Score 3. One Stripe	0.5L	$5.92
1/5	02/05/2026	273	G3 OPEN 4U	$244,413.00	Belmont At The Big A	1811m	FM	K Carmouche	56kg	1:48.44	4-1-1	5	1. Deterministic 2. Battle Of Normandy 3. Ridari	0.8L	$1.69
1/10	02/08/2025	55	G1 OPEN 4U	$1,162,791.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	K Carmouche	57kg	1:33.87	5-1-1	8	1. Deterministic 2. Intellect 3. Win For The Money	1.3L	$5.60
1/8	08/06/2025	36	G1 OPEN 4U	$1,555,210.00	Saratoga	1811m	Good	K Carmouche	55.5kg	1:48.93	2-1-1	4	1. Deterministic 2. Integration 3. Far Bridge	0.1L	$6.80
1/5	03/05/2025	27	G2 OPEN 4U	$312,500.00	Belmont At The Big A	1811m	FM	K Carmouche	56kg	1:45.70	1-1-1	3	1. Deterministic 2. Carson's Run 3. Kay Army	4.5L	$3.10
2/6	06/04/2025	148	ALLOW 4U	$239,617.00	Keeneland	1811m	SP	Joel Rosario	56kg	1:51.39	3-1-2	2	1. Money Supply 2. Deterministic 3. Lagynos	1.8L	$3.50

Capitol Hill (5)827021x124

Trainer: William I Mott (U.S.A.)12 mths 12: 3-3-0

Jockey: Junior Alvarado

Weight: 56kgs

4 yo Bay H

Sire: INTO MISCHIEF (USA)

Dam: MEADOWSWEET (USA)

Dam's Sire: Smart Strike

Stats

Prize Money$471,917.00

Avg $$39,326.42

Win %25.00%

Place %50.00%

Career12: 3-3-0

Track4: 0-2-0

Distance7: 2-3-0

Tr / Dist3: 0-2-0

1st Up2: 1-0-0

2nd Up2: 1-1-0

Firm10: 2-3-0

Good1: 0-0-0

Soft0: 0-0-0

Heavy0: 0-0-0

Synthetic0: 0-0-0

Comments

Comes off a 34 day let-up. At the latest run 4th of 10 at this track in the G3 Kelso (Forbidden Apple) Stakes on July 5 over 1609m, 3 len behind Mi Bago with 54.5kg at $11.41. Before that 2nd in a small field at this track in the G3 Poker Stakes on June 7 over 1609m, 0.1 len behind Pass The Hat carrying 54.5kg at $13.67. Will need to lift.

Last Starts 35 days since last start

Place	Date	Days	Class	Prize	Track	Dist.	Cnd.	Jockey	Weight	Race Time	In Run	Gate	Result	Margin	Starting Price
4/10	05/07/2026	28	G3 OPEN 4U	$326,560.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	Junior Alvarado	54.5kg	1:34.08	8-6-4	10	1. Mi Bago, Zulu Kingdom 3. Pass The Hat	3.0L	$11.41
2/5	07/06/2026	56	G3 OPEN 4U	$418,410.00	Saratoga	1609m	FM	Junior Alvarado	54.5kg	1:32.92	4-3-2	3	1. Pass The Hat 2. Capitol Hill 3. Zulu Kingdom	0.1L	$13.67
1/9	12/04/2026	162	ALLOW 4U	$189,229.00	Keeneland	1609m	FM	Junior Alvarado	53.5kg	1:36.42	9-2-1	5	1. Capitol Hill 2. Tough Little Nut 3. Clever Mischief	0.5L	$3.69
1/10	01/11/2025	34	ALLOW 3U	$134,351.00	Belmont At The Big A	1609m	FM	Sahin Civaci	53.5kg	1:36.12	9-4-1	10	1. Capitol Hill 2. Favorable Scenario 3. Cuando	1.3L	$2.92
2/7	28/09/2025	22	LR OPEN 3	$229,358.00	Belmont At The Big A	1609m	FM	Junior Alvarado	53.5kg	1:35.14	7-6-2	6	1. Salamis 2. Capitol Hill 3. Griffin's Wharf	1.3L	$4.18
11/14	06/09/2025	35	LR OPEN 3	$3,058,104.00	Kentucky	1609m	Good	Junior Alvarado	53.5kg	1:33.51	12-11-11	12	1. Plensa 2. Giocoso 3. Namaron	8.4L	$11.26

Lagynos (6)2x3x211111

Trainer: Steven Asmussen 12 mths 28: 10-5-7

Jockey: Jose L. Ortiz

Weight: 56kgs

5 yo Chestnut H

Sire: KANTHAROS (USA)

Dam: STEAMY (USA)

Dam's Sire: Speightstown

Stats

Prize Money$3,997,152.00

Avg $$142,755.43

Win %35.71%

Place %78.57%

Career28: 10-5-7

Track2: 0-1-0

Distance6: 1-3-0

Tr / Dist2: 0-1-0

1st Up4: 1-1-2

2nd Up3: 1-1-1

Firm20: 8-3-3

Good4: 1-1-2

Soft0: 0-0-0

Heavy0: 0-0-0

Synthetic0: 0-0-0

Comments

On a five run winning streak. Returns from a 42-day let-up. Most recently ran on from midfield and won by 0.8 len at Churchill Downs Turf G2 Wise Dan Stakes June 27 over 1710m defeating Mercante carrying 54.5kg at $2.50. The start before that won by 0.8 len at Churchill Downs Turf G3 Arlington Stakes May 30 over 1710m defeating Minaret Station carrying 54.5kg at $3.59. Hard to knock his winning form and can repeat the dose again.

Last Starts 43 days since last start

Place	Date	Days	Class	Prize	Track	Dist.	Cnd.	Jockey	Weight	Race Time	In Run	Gate	Result	Margin	Starting Price
1/9	27/06/2026	28	G2 OPEN 4U	$697,350.00	Churchill Downs	1710m	Good	Jose Ortiz	54.5kg	1:41.68	4-1-1	2	1. Lagynos 2. Mercante 3. Dresden Row	0.8L	$2.50
1/9	30/05/2026	30	G3 OPEN 4U	$384,078.00	Churchill Downs	1710m	FM	Jose Ortiz	54.5kg	1:40.08	1-1-1	3	1. Lagynos 2. Minaret Station 3. West Hollywood	0.8L	$3.59
1/8	30/04/2026	40	LR OPEN 4U	$488,827.00	Churchill Downs	1609m	FM	Jose Ortiz	56kg	1:34.12	1-3-1	7	1. Lagynos 2. Chasing The Crown 3. Quatrocento	0.1L	$2.27
1/7	21/03/2026	35	G2 OPEN 4U	$421,348.00	Fairgrounds	1811m	FM	Jose Ortiz	55.5kg	1:48.17	2-1-1	4	1. Lagynos 2. Tom's Magic 3. Program Trading	1.0L	$2.60
1/10	14/02/2026	28	G3 OPEN 4U	$249,643.00	Fairgrounds	1811m	FM	Jose Ortiz	55.5kg	1:48.02	8-1-1	9	1. Lagynos 2. Montador 3. Kupuna	2.3L	$4.70
2/11	17/01/2026	70	LR OPEN 4U	$149,477.00	Fairgrounds	1710m	FM	Jose Ortiz	56kg	1:42.37	2-1-2	4	1. Kupuna 2. Lagynos 3. Cameo Performance	1.3L	$2.50